In today’s conversation Andrew Bulla joins CL to explore the intersections of assent-based behavior analysis and animal training. They discuss the importance of assent, the LIMA principle, and the role of animal models in understanding behavior. Andrew shares his journey from working with neurodivergent individuals to working with animals, emphasizing the lessons behavior analysts can learn from animal trainers. The discussion highlights the significance of choice, autonomy, and functional assessment in behavior change, as well as the need for integrating ethical insights from animal training into behavior analysis practices.